This is no mention in any of these texts of the word Muslimeen or Muslims or Islam either (the word Muslimeen in mentioned for the first time in a letter from Egypt dated 767CE as per P Crone) Very interesting book indeed and I would give it 4 stars (I would give it a 5 if the original Syriac texts would have been included in the book) Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting.

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As succinctly as possible: can a vocabulary of motives by freely extrapolated from a discrete collection of literary stereotypes composed by alien and mostly hostile observers employed to describe even interpret not merely the overt behavior but also the intellectual and spiritual development of helpless and mostly of innocent actors." (SM page 116-117) To make it simple: Don't try to reconstruct the history of Islam from sources external to Islam as well as from Islamic literary sources In response to Wansbrough, Fred Donner wrote: "the practical implications of modern historians are that they cannot use the Islamic sources to reconstruct Islamic origins and should look elsewhere for our evidence or quit trying altogether." and even looking elsewhere as in reading literary sources written by non Muslims is futile Penn is very careful in not falling in the trap of reconstructing the Islamic origins from these non Muslim literary sources So who were these first Christians that met Muslims?

These were the Syriac speaking Christians in al-Sham and Mesopotamia They belonged to all sects of Christianity in the Middle East in the 7th century.

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jan 22, 2018 at Dr Pipes This is a review of Michael Philip Pen's book "When Christians First Met Muslims" https://

Unless you ask them what actually happens, they won't tell you. And since you are still reading, I'll explain as best I can.

Muslims believe in One God and therefore live by a moral code they believe is set organically by Him.

ie=UTF8 Many western scholars of the history of early Islam have great doubts about the veracity of the early Islamic literary sources This was the reason why Patricia Crone examined the extant literary sources written by non Muslims and what the authors wrote about what was to become Islam.

However, things went wrong when Crone tried to reconstruct what really happened and how did Islam emerge based on reading these non Muslim literary sources John Wansbrough wrote as part of his review of Hagarism: "that several attempts to elucidate the origin of Islam have drawn almost exclusively upon these traditional literary types is well known and it seems to me that here is a serious literary types is well known and it seems to me that here a serious methodological problem is often ignored.

Non of these texts describe what we now call the Islamic conquests as being driven by a religious ideology and "there was nothing explicitly Islamic about them." 7 The Chronicle of ad 724 provides a list of early leaders of what was to become Islam but it is very odd that the name of Ali is missing and the claim that Muhammad: "three months before Muhammad came and Muhammad lived 10 ("more" added by the author) years." Very odd indeed Also the author of the text transliterated the Arabic words Rasul and Finta to Syriac instead of using Syriac words that correspond to these 2 Arabic words And this could be a case that there was an Arabic text which is not extant and it was the source of this list 7.

The most interesting texts are: Disputation of John and the Emir and Disputation of Bet Hale or "dialogue devant le prince" where Christians were presenting the case for Christianity and more evidence of the "Sectarian Milieu" of what was to become Islam 8.

They wrote their texts in Syriac the most important literary language in the Middle East at the time of the Arab invasions starting in 633CE The author examines 28 texts written in the period between 630's CE and 750CE (The Abbasid revolution) He examines these texts in a chronological order He provides an introduction to the author of the text, then he dates the text and information about the manuscript and editions.